#WhyIDidn’tReport: What Do You Mean ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Is Incorrect?

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Like with the “Friendship Breakup” series, over the next few weeks, I’ll be answering commonly asked questions surrounding, specifically, Dr Ford and the entire fiasco that we just watched. 

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Whenever anyone comes forward with a sexual assault and/or rape allegation, people will needlessly shout ‘IT’S INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY! THIS ISN’T THE SALEM WITCH TRIALS!’

Firstly, it’s needless because we fucking know it’s not the Salem Witch Trials you fuckers, you were the ones who burnt us. 

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There is a very good reason why we don’t do trial by combat anymore, even if it makes for great GoT scenes. PC: Game of Thrones, Giphy

Well, technically there wasn’t a lot of burning during the Salem Witch Trials (lots of hangings, tortures, imprisonments and one god-awful crushing), but not the point I’m trying to make, people. (Though if anyone lives in Salem, or has visited, I would genuinely LOVE to see photos. I’m a history teacher, so I relish things like that.)

Secondly, it actually isn’t ‘innocent until proven guilty’.

The phrase is ‘presumed innocent until proven guilty’.

I know that many of you are probably sitting there, scratching your heads thinking, ‘Bitch, please, now you’re just splitting hairs to justify you’ve got some man-hating feminazi agenda.’

 

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Beware: Behind that pretty smile is teeth I’ll eat you with. Cause the man-hating. Obviously. Don’t you know feminists get the sparkly complexion from eating men, kind of how Megan Fox is super hot after eating all those guys in Jennifer’s Body. PC: Leah’s Ambitions and Designs Photography

However, I’m not splitting hairs, and if you’ll give me a chance, I’ll explain why that difference fundamentally matters.

While the difference is almost indiscernible, it creates a particular image in your head.

Innocent until proven guilty implies that the person is innocent.

Presumed innocent until proven guilty implies that the person very well could be guilty, but it needs to be proven.

That gives the mental image that a person might not be innocent.

This is important because, in this day and age, we seem to think that ‘proven innocent in a court of law’ actually means someone is innocent.

It doesn’t.

It means that they had better barristers than the other people, which often coincides with more money (weird how that happens), and if they’re that rich, they’ve probably got people to help them cover their tracks even if they’re not bright enough to do it themselves.

It could also mean that, due to a lack of forensic evidence, a conviction is hard to secure. (Thanks to incredibly accurate and scientific shows like CSI, people seem to want more and more forensic evidence before they convict – no matter how compelling some of the other evidence may be.) If a person cannot be proven guilty beyond reasonable doubt, it doesn’t matter what the jury thinks, they literally cannot convict him.

I’m serious.

Depending on your country, most juries would have some sort of checklist to help guide you with this process so that people can’t just convict people based on whatever reason (though this happens all the time if you’re black – you’re far more likely to be convicted) you want, to ensure that the defendant has due process (plaintiff in civil cases).

Seriously, you don’t have to think too hard about this: Think of one of the most controversial acquittal cases ever: O.J Simpson’s murder trial.

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The controversial gloves. PC: E! News

As more and more evidence has come to light, especially since O.J’s trial, they’ve made more mini-series than I can count, and more and more people seem to believe that, despite the fact that O.J was found not guilty by a jury of his peers … he probably did it.

I mean, it’s not like he hasn’t exactly been entirely coy about the whole maybe-I-totally-brutally-murdered-the-mother-of-my-children-and-some-poor-guy-who-had-the-bad-luck-of-dropping-her-glasses-home-maybe-I-didn’t thing.

But there’s a very key phrase I used above, when I wasn’t being a total jackass, and that was not guilty, and there’s a difference that many of you need to understand, no matter how unlikeable it is.

‘Not guilty’ does not mean the same thing as innocent.

Before I go further, and people lose their fucking shit and skip over the important explanation as to why not guilty is not the same thing as innocent, I’m going to make some things very clear:

I would much rather a guilty person go free than an innocent person locked up.

I very much mean that. I’m not calling for an overhaul of our current justice system, and if I was, I’d talk about it in a separate post. If that means that sometimes guilty people go free, I’d rather live with that knowledge than the knowledge that someone was placed into a prison system – which in many places, like America, is woefully inadequate and resembles torture-like conditions – who was entirely innocent but didn’t receive due process.

I do not believe that every person who receives a guilty verdict is secretly guilty.

This one’s also important, especially when it comes to my proper explanation of why not guilty does not mean the same thing as being innocent. Some people who are found not guilty are found not guilty because, shock horror, they’re not guilty. Sometimes I think justice is served when a person is sent to jail.

Just as equally, I sometimes believe that justice is served when a person is not sent to jail.

(And sometimes, like in the case of Cyntonia Brown, I don’t understand why there’s a fucking case in the first place because I’m trying to work out how the fuck someone saw her case and was like, ‘Yup, that’s a cold-blooded murderer right there!’ I mean, fuck me.)

What I mean is, someone can be guilty as fuck, but we can’t always prove that.

For example, every year I wear red for Daniel Morcombe.

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Daniel Morcombe. PC: ABC

Daniel was a young boy who was abducted, raped and murdered while waiting for a bus.

Daniel was abducted on the 7th of December, 2003. The first bus driver, whose bus was entirely full, saw Daniel waiting at a stop. As he was unable to stop for Daniel, he radioed to ensure that there would be another bus along shortly.

In that three minutes, Daniel was abducted and never seen again.

Only some of his remains and clothing were ever found.

However, after a lengthy police operation (as they suspected who had murdered Daniel, but did not have the evidence to secure his conviction), they were able to make an arrest in 2011.

In 2014, the Crown (for you Americans I think that’s like your prosecution or ADA or some shit to help translate English into American) was able to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that Cowan had murdered Daniel.

While in this case, the Crown prevailed because of the police investigation, my point is is that even though the police were at least somewhat sure who the killer was – and as he was a person of interest quite quickly in Daniel’s case, quite possibly a primary suspect from the beginning – that doesn’t mean he wasn’t guilty. He obviously was and is, but sometimes it takes time to prove things. That’s what due process is. Just like we couldn’t put Kavanaugh in prison based on Dr Ford’s testimony alone, we also can’t throw people in jail just because we ‘know’ they’re guilty. After all, DNA has exonerated plenty of dead people. That’s why the accused is presumed innocent, instead of immediately presuming that the accuser is the liar, so that we can protect everyone. It cannot be convenient only when we wish it to be, because then that’s not justice.)

And sometimes, even with all the evidence, someone can hire an incredible barrister who can make even the best evidence turn into some bizarre story that people seem to believe (here’s looking at you, Oscar Pistorius, who was originally convicted of manslaughter, not murder, because ‘he thought an intruder had locked themselves in the bathroom’) or that people don’t even care about (here’s looking at everyone who supports Donald Trump and doesn’t care that he ‘grabs them by the pussy’) to bother giving some a real sentence. (Despite what people tell you, justice isn’t blind, and it very much sees colour.)

Which is why you’re wrong when you say ‘innocent until proven guilty’ or if you ask someone if they believe in innocence before guilt. Either the person’s incredibly intelligent and is deliberately framing the sentence to give a specific answer (because of course everyone except Trump, Kavanaugh and their supporters believes in due process, but that isn’t the question they’re asking you), or is ignorant of what the sentiment means, and what the sentiment means is incredibly important.

Because while we’ve all become obsessed with CSI and similar-shitty shows, we’ve forgotten that a person’s allegation is, in fact, evidence.

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CSI: Miami PC: Giphy

Now, that evidence could be shit evidence. It could be unreliable evidence, irrelevant evidence, even untrustworthy evidence.

But it’s still evidence.

Which means that someone is accusing someone of a crime.

Which means that there is likely guilt there (hence, presumption).

However, people are sometimes shit, and to avoid burning people at the stake and deciding if someone’s innocent after they’ve drowned, that’s why the supposed guilty party allegedly did whatever the fuck they did, it’s why we require more evidence than just someone’s word.

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Otherwise, we might start killing people for things like Dwarfism. Or colour. It’s not like people of colour are frequently murdered by law enforcement. PC: Game of Thrones, Gfycat

Sometimes we can successfully prosecute someone we know is guilty.

Sadly, however, when it comes to cases involving violence against women, public opinion is that the alleged is always innocent and the accuser is always somehow a liar.

Don’t believe me?

Well, Amber Heard alleged Johnny Depp was abusive. She gave us photographic and video evidence – something that would have been incredibly dangerous and risky for her to do so – and she wasn’t believed. People have since come forward, with plenty of people either admitting to seeing Depp violent towards Amber, or violent on sets since. Her word, combined with photographic and video evidence, was not enough to convince most people that maybe, just maybe, she was telling the truth. It was easier to shout ‘Innocent until proven guilty!’, and indicate that maybe she was lying (cause reasons).

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Amber Heard PC: The Hearld Sun

What about Brock Turner? He was literally caught by two men in the act, and he isn’t famous, but his career and life is worth more than his rape victim’s. Friends and family pleaded over how he couldn’t sleep and both he and his lawyers suggested it was just ‘drunken behaviour’ not something as ghastly and horrific as raping an unconscious woman behind a dumpster, but how many people are outraged over the fact that the victim’s life will always be different? You do not think that something so traumatic, so horrific, would change her life forever?

What about her opportunities?

Turner can’t enjoy his steak.

What if she can’t trust again?

What if her boyfriend left her, because he, like others, blamed her? Maybe he didn’t leave her at the trial, maybe he left her after.

Maybe she developed PTSD.

You have no idea what the long-term consequences are for the victim. It’s possible the victim isn’t even aware of them all.

I suffer from PTSD. It’s not unusual. It’s probably more common than you are aware of, and more people in your life probably suffer from PTSD than you realise.

Assuming her boyfriend (if she had one) left her, maybe he couldn’t handle the side effects of PTSD – and it’s not like America’s healthcare system is great. I mean, Australians have medicare, and I still have to pay a fucking shit ton. I can’t imagine what it’d be like to be American.

And that’s why the distinction matters.

Because we aren’t taking allegations seriously enough, and we’re insisting everyone is innocent, and therefore assuming the accuser must be a liar.

And by doing that, we’re taking away due process, that pesky thing so many of you claim to love soooo much (but I guess you love it more when it means it supports your ideals).

We’re not upholding “innocent until proven guilty”.

We’re destroying it.

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Background

Bachelor of Education: English and History

Diploma in Criminology and Profiling

Diploma in Forensic Science

Background in law and psychology

Teacher 7+ years

Background in special needs, learning support – other specific teaching fields that required hands-on development.

NB: This is a declaration of the background of my personal knowledge, collected over the years via a professional form of education and development. Some of these take the form of actual degrees and others come in the form of necessary professional development. When doing your own, you should always try and verify the person’s credibility. My credibility, nor anyone else’s, is not with their education. Everyone has biases and no one is infallible. I am deliberately including some of my background education to highlight this, because you should be questioning information you are receiving.

External Sources

Toyah Cordingley

Search for evidence – Toyah

Potential Witnesses – Toyah

Eurydice Dixon

Man Charged With Dixon Murder

Larissa Beilby

Alleged Murderer

Accessories to Larissa’s murder

Jane Gilmore

National Emergency

Various people over from Hunt A Killer

Violence Against Women

Flight, Fight, Freeze and Faint

Dr Ford’s Testimony

Kavanaugh’s Testimony

Time’s Article on Ford vs Kavanaugh 

FBI Investigation Letter

Amal Clooney on Trump

Trump Mocks Ford

Mark Judge’s Book Confirms Timeline

Trump’s Lack of Empathy

Sexual Assault

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20 thoughts on “#WhyIDidn’tReport: What Do You Mean ‘Innocent Until Proven Guilty’ Is Incorrect?

  1. Lolsy's Library says:

    I have to say I’ve gone right off Johnny Depp. What annoys me even more is that people somehow think her being arrested for violence against her ex, EVEN THOUGH, her ex-girlfriend says she was wrongly arrested. People just like to gloss pass that. So I am very over them saying that they don’t like him just because of his looks…They totally are.

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  2. Ariel Lynn says:

    Whenever anyone comes forward with a sexual assault and/or rape allegation, people will needlessly shout ‘IT’S INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY! THIS ISN’T THE SALEM WITCH TRIALS!’

    Also, technically, the “witches” got trials. They were horribly rigged & basically farces, but they were proven “guilty.” 🙄

    (Though if anyone lives in Salem, or has visited, I would genuinely LOVE to see photos. I’m a history teacher, so I relish things like that.)

    I should really go to Salem one day. In the scheme of things, I’m not that far from it. Fewer than 300 miles.

    This is important because, in this day and age, we seem to think that ‘proven innocent in a court of law’ actually means someone is innocent.

    It doesn’t.

    So, I love NCIS. I know it’s a crock & inaccurate & all that jazz, but I love the show & the characters & I only stopped watching when one of my favorite characters left the show (even now, I still watch a few of the newer episodes just because lol).

    Anyway, there’s a line after a defendant leaves the court room – He says, “Hey, I was proven innocent in court.” Then, Abby, the bubbly goth forensic scientist whom I want to be when I grow up says, “No, you just weren’t proven guilty. There’s a difference.”

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    • thingscarlaloves says:

      That is such a good line from NCIS!! I’m not gonna lie, I wouldn’t have expected it from there, but it’s sooo true.

      Oooh I wish I could visit Salem! There’s so many historical places I want to go in America, and I’d love a week just to do all the museums in NY and then a week to do the same in Washington (I love museums).

      Maybe you could make a trip of it with someone? It’s a fair distance for people like us.

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      • Ariel Lynn says:

        I know those shows are so unrealistic. I still love NCIS though. LOL No shame.

        I’m hesitant to burst your bubble, but I gotta be honest – I’ve lived within an hour’s train/bus/car ride from NYC my whole life & I haven’t been to a fraction of the museums there. I even worked there for 6 months without getting my museum game on. I have a list of (mostly historical) sites I want to see in NYC & the surrounding boroughs; It’s sort of a secondary “bucket list” specific to the area.

        Washington, I’ve done but I want to do again! Also Colonial Williamsburg is right there, so I highly recommend seeing it if you have the chance too. One of the last trips my family took before my Mom died was to Washington & VA. I have pictures of my sister & I sharing a set of stocks.

        If you do ever go, do drop a line. I’ll meet you! Just don’t ask me for directions or advice for traveling in NYC. I do NOT understand it. LOL

        Yeah, I would definitely have to go with someone. I have the feeling that I could find some volunteers in my area, though! My friend Steve comes to mind immediately – that sounds right up his alley (he’s a huuuuuge Renaissance Faire fan & I feel like he’d dig Salem).

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      • thingscarlaloves says:

        Why haven’t you gone?? Do you not like museums? I love museums. I don’t know why, but I just love going to them. I’ll go over and over to the same one. I’d want to go to NYC for museums and shit, not for shopping, like most Aussies want to. I don’t know – everyone I know always seems excited about buying stuff, but I always think, ‘I can buy stuff in Australia. This is stuff I won’t get to see again.’ You know?? I want to see stuff and do stuff, not waste time drinking or buying clothes and shit.

        Ooooh that sounds amazing!! And it sounds like a very nice memory to have with her before her passing, too.

        I definitely will! I want to go so badly (not now, not with Trump) and I will definitely hit up you, Rae and B ❤

        Ooooh that sounds so nice! And you could see the rock. Isn't there a rock there that people touch and it makes them sick or something? Unless I'm confusing the rock with somewhere else, I could be. (I didn't believe in the rock's power, regardless.)

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      • Ariel Lynn says:

        Hmm. I guess because I like having someone to go with? My friend & I have gone to see special exhibits – like the one with the life-sized see through bodies, & the Dead Sea Scrolls – but we don’t go “just because.” We should really do that more often.

        Also, to be fair, there are a lot of museums in New York! I should type up my “second bucket list” for you! LOL

        Yeah, I’m not a fan of shopping either. I also wouldn’t buy anything in NYC unless I absolutely had to! Bring your own water, snacks, & walk/take the subway as much as possible. It’s ridiculously expensive, even if it’s a chain location or not on “Fifth Avenue.”

        Also, drinks are, like, $15 (USD) each. At least, that’s what I remember, since I haven’t had alcoholic drinks in a long a– time.

        It was a lovely trip. Except when Dad scraped the car on a pillar in a parking lot. He was most displeased.

        You had better let us know if you ever come out to the states! 😉

        Hmm… I don’t remember hearing about any rock that makes people sick. The only rock I can think of is the Blarney Stone in Ireland, but, clearly, you’re not talking about that one. Also, even if I didn’t believe in the rock’s power, I’m not touching something that could possibly, maybe, remotely make me sick – I’m sick enough as it is!

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      • thingscarlaloves says:

        I remember watching this documentary about it. It was definitely in America, and the lore had something to do with witches, but I can’t quite remember more than that. I don’t know if it’s Salem, so I could be very wrong there!

        Yeah, I definitely prefer museums with someone!! It’s much more fun! I dunno, I’ve always liked going to them. I used to wander through them a lot in Brisbane. Museums are one of my favourite things to do, so I’d definitely do it “just because”. Maybe that’s just me?? I think there’s a lot less people who will go “Yeah! Let’s go to Museum!” And more who will be like “Defs Fifth Avenue”.

        Yeah, I don’t care for stuff like that. I’m not interested in alcohol or clothes. I’d much rather spend my money on actual sight-seeing and adventures.

        My dad once reversed into a tree, if that makes you feel any better. Charlie and me were in the car and when my dad hit the tree, he was like, ‘What was that?’ and I said, ‘The tree’ (with a straight face, because my dad was pissed as fuck) and we had to wait until dad got out of the car before we thought it was safe to laugh again.

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      • Ariel Lynn says:

        Huh. I don’t know about that rock. Heck, I don’t even know how to search for information on it, given what I now know! I have the feeling “rock USA witches” wouldn’t have the desired results. LOL

        Well, I don’t know. I’d like to talk about my thoughts & opinions, & share someone else’s, when I go to a museum. Even just being there with someone, I think, would be meaningful for me. Then again, traveling alone in NYC can be extremely lonely. It’s like being surrounded by a million people & having no one is a very stark feeling. I’m not a fan.

        I’m sure a lot more people would be like, “Yeah, let’s go shopping!” than, “Yeah, let’s go to the museum!” with the same amount of enthusiasm, but they are out there! All of my friends know I’m not gonna be their shopping buddy, but if they come across a good book, public speaking event on cats, or interesting historical event, they can definitely call me. You just have to have the right people around you!

        Honestly, my Dad hitting that pylon wasn’t the worst thing he’s done, but it did make it memorable! As Dad got older, he has relied more on his mirrors than looking behind him when he backs up. In the past, like, 10 years, he’s backed into 2 people (he claimed they were parked/stopped illegally, which was true, but it’s still his fault for backing into them) & my parked car.

        Thank goodness he has a back up camera in his new car!

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